“Oh, you live in Edgewater? You know, I used to work at that hospital in your neighborhood,” a woman explained to Todd. “I was a nurse there in the early-’90s, and it was the shadiest place I ever worked in my career. I was so happy when it finally closed down,” she added.
“Really?” Todd responded…almost in disbelief. “I’ve always wondered what happened there.”
This conversation happened in 2008. By then, the Edgewater Hospital campus had been closed for six years and sat boarded up and abandoned in the middle of the residential Edgewater neighborhood. It closed shortly after the September 11th attacks in 2001. By then, the feds uncovered a massive fraud scheme that went on there in the 1990s-2000s and cut off Medicare and Medicaid payments to the hospital. The hospital went bankrupt a short time later.
“They used to pay people from the streets to come in and pretend they had heart problems,” the nurse explained. “Usually they would promise them 50 bucks or some cigarettes for a warm place to sleep for a couple nights. But while they were in the hospital, they’d do all kinds of procedures on them. It was awful. Oh, and the hospital was definitely haunted,” she said.
Todd couldn’t believe what he was hearing.
This nurse shared how she had moved from Minneapolis to Chicago and thought working at Edgewater Hospital would be a huge step up in her career. Instead, the job turned into a nightmare. It was the longest 18-months of her young career…it’s something she rarely speaks about and still omits from her resume.
That night, Todd scoured the internet for stories about Edgewater Hospital. Other than some neighborhood blogs, he didn’t find much. The few articles he found reported on the ongoing saga with the former owner. In 2008, he fled the country despite owing some $180 million for the crimes that happened there. He then openly “hid” from authorities — who struggled to bring him to justice. This unexpected conversation with a stranger sparked a curiosity that eventually led to If the Walls Could Talk Podcast.
Years later, Todd reached out to that nurse and asked if she would share her experience for this podcast.
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If the Walls Could Talk Podcast™ is a series about the history of Chicago’s Edgewater Hospital and the true crimes that destroyed it.
After opening in 1929, Edgewater Hospital established itself as Chicago’s premiere hospital. Under the guidance of its co-founder, Dr. Maurice Mazel, it was a leader in cardiac health and even developed the first ambulance for those suffering from a heart attack. Mazel steered the hospital for over half a century until his death in 1980. Then, things quickly fell apart.
Without a true successor to Mazel, the dated and aging hospital couldn’t keep up with the evolving healthcare industry. Edgewater Hospital was bleeding cash — it didn’t help that there were stories of employees embezzling money.
A new owner named Peter Rogan wound up “saving” Edgewater from closing in 1989, but did so in the worst possible way. After he took over, the hospital did just about anything to fill up its beds — including luring in seniors and those suffering from homelessness and addictions — and then subjected them to invasive and unnecessary heart procedures. This fraud scheme continued throughout the 1990s into the 2000s. The FBI investigated and learned that one Edgewater Cardiologist named Dr. Andrew Cubria performed hundreds of unnecessary procedures on his patients…just to ring up their medical bills. As a result, at least 2 patients died.
Medicare cut off reimbursement in late-2001 — which accounted for the majority of the hospital’s income. Edgewater Hospital abruptly closed shortly thereafter. But the drama didn’t end there. The hospital’s former owner, Peter Rogan, lost a $64 million civil suit brought on by the US government and, less than two weeks later, he fled to Canada. In all, Rogan owed civil judgments totaling over $188 million.
Edgewater Hospital filed for bankruptcy in 2002 meaning the city of Chicago was left to deal with an abandoned and decaying hospital…loaded with toxic medical waste, patient medical records and equipment. The hospital campus then became a magnet for crime and trespassers while those in the neighborhood begged for it to be torn down. Plans for redevelopment dragged on for years while the feds tried to bring the former owner to justice. All the while, a local politician’s wife made got rich selling real estate built on the hospital’s former land.
Narrated by Todd Ganz and Stephani Young, If the Walls Could Talk Podcast™ recounts Edgewater Hospital’s tangled history and the true crimes that destroyed it.
Since debuting in 2021, there have been more than 100,000 downloads of If the Walls Could Talk Podcast. Released independently, it peaked at #16 on Apple Podcasts History Chart and has been heard in countries all over the world.
Multiple bonus episodes feature additional Edgewater Hospital history and an unbelievable story about the mysterious murder of a hospital employee named Teresita Basa whose ghost is said to have returned from the dead to identify her killer. Her accused killer, by the way, was another Edgewater Hospital employee! A second bonus episode covers the accused killer’s 1979 trial.
If the Walls Could Talk Podcast™ Creators and Hosts
Todd M. Ganz
Born in Northwest Indiana, Todd Ganz graduated from Indiana University and headed to Chicago where he spent the next 20 years working on and off-the-air in radio. He produced morning radio shows and even an award-winning on-air dating show. Todd rose to Creative Content Director for WSHE-FM and WTMX-FM where he wrote, produced and created commercials, promos and “all the things that went in between the songs”. He also produced podcasts, videos, and social media content and was part of Hubbard Radio’s Next Gen Leadership Program. In 2019, he even appeared in a TV commercial for Chicago’s Classic Rock 97.1 “The Drive” (WDRV-FM).
In 2007, Todd moved a block from Edgewater Hospital and immediately was drawn to this mysterious set of abandoned buildings. After watching the idle hospital rot for over a decade, he started researching its backstory. One night in 2019, Stephani and Todd came up with the idea for If the Walls Could Talk Podcast. The duo spent the majority of 2020 writing and producing the series.
He’s an old soul and often disappointed White Sox fan who recommends the Sox Machine Podcast, Seincast, The Journal, Today Explained, Chicago History Podcast, and Let’s Not Meet.
Today, Todd works as Senior Producer of true crime podcasts at Glass Entertainment Group. He produced the 2024 true crime hits “American Homicide” and “There and Gone: South Street“, co-produced 2023’s hit series, “Burden of Guilt“, and was part of 2022-2023’s #1 podcast “Betrayal“. He’s also been on stage at Chicago’s famed Second City and iO theaters and has spoken about the media business at Columbia College and DePaul University. Todd was a panelist at Chicago Podcast Day and assists businesses and other independent podcasters produce branded podcasts.
Stephani Young
Stephani left sunny Phoenix to work for the Chicago Cubs in 2011. She’s an on-air radio veteran who started at the age of 16 in Danville, Illinois. She worked on-air in Phoenix before landing a radio gig in Chicago. An avid podcast listener to Girls Gotta Eat, Be There in Five and The First Degree, she also co-founded, co-hosted and produced podcasts, including Boujee & Broke and Game of Her Own.
Her career highlights include everything from introducing her favorite band not named Taylor Swift (Matchbox Twenty) to watching the Cubs break their 108-year curse…three short months after leaving her position with the team. Today, Stephani is a Booking Producer with Scripps News for their popular Morning Rush program. She also consults for other independent podcasters.
She’s also an avid supporter of the non-profit animal rescue One Tail at a Time #adoptdontshop. Stephani and Todd were married in April 2024.
Want to get in touch? Contact Stephani and Todd.